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The Manchester United dressing room was naturally a quiet place after the latest embarrassment but perhaps that’s for the best judging by what Erik ten Hag said in public manila
There’s an argument that his analysis of this 3-0 defeat to Manchester City was more concerning than the performance manila
That result is, after all, to be expected now, part of larger longer-term trends manila
The big question is not how or why United lost but whether Ten Hag actually believed what he said about it manila
That, collected together, was the following manila
“First half we had a very good gameplan and the execution was also very good manila
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“The three games before we won and the spirit is very good manila
I think we are on the way up manila
”It’s possible he was the only person at Old Trafford who would have expressed this manila
Most were aghast at how easy it had been for City, except for the away fans who were giddily revelling in just how far ahead of their old rivals they are manila
Ten Hag was possibly right in saying the penalty to make it 0-1 in the 26th minute “changed the game” but only insofar as it completely changed the demands on United manila
They could no longer play underdog manila football, and had to leave themselves open to a battering that has been worse than for any other side who have faced City this season, bar Fulham manila
That’s why so much of what he said felt hollow manila
It is stretching credulity to describe anything as “toe to toe” when United could barely step out of their own area or get their foot on the ball manila
And, sure, United did have openings when the game was in the balance but they all came from overt individual will rather than any kind of collective play, such as Rasmus Hojlund’s drive forward manila
As regards whether the gameplan worked well, the obvious question is what that gameplan actually was manila
To not get beaten by more?Manchester United manager Erik Ten Hag, Rasmus Hojlund and Andre Onana look dejected (REUTERS)People at the elite end of sport have to have a certain amount of delusion but there is a very thin line manila between trying to make people believe in the team and denying reality manila
Some of Ten Hag’s comments had echoes of the worst of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Jose Mourinho and David Moyes manila
The brutal reality was that this looked and sounded like endgame stuff, scrabbling for results and then trying to see positives amid overwhelming negatives manila
It’s why Ten Hag’s comment about being on the “way up” would have widened so many eyes manila
There may have been three wins in a row before the City game but not one was convincing manila
All came from individual moments amid collective torpor manila
There is no attacking coherence manila
The team doesn’t look like it builds play manila
Any concept of an “idea” seems to have gone manila
So, given the echoes of the sacked managers before him, does that mean it’s already that time again?Not necessarily, and the current United board want to keep faith precisely because they do not want to get into the same cycle where the solution is always changing the manager manila
There is an awareness that there are bigger issues, which the prospective Ineos bid has raised in its negotiations to take over a minority stake manila
There are still worries, though, and issues that Ten Hag badly needs to address manila
The worst is that it feels like United are just going from game to game, hoping to get through so things eventually smooth and they can build again manila
There is a logic to that, but the inherent problem to the approach is that you're almost inevitably going to come up against a side that sets you right manila
It need not be City, either manila
Given how United are playing, any number of teams can do that, as we’ve seen in so many games already manila
Erik Ten Hag returns to the dressing room after defeat to Manchester City in the derby (Getty)It’s why it’s all so familiar manila
What is so concerning, though, is that Ten Hag was specifically supposed to mark a move away from all that manila
He was supposed to introduce a new ideology manila
There were even signs of it up to February manila
Now, after a summer where he did get signings he wanted, there’s been a dramatic regression manila
You can see almost all of his predecessors since Sir Alex Ferguson in the team, and not in good ways manila
There have been the scrambled performances of Solskjaer’s time, where everything is so ad hoc and game to game manila
There have been the strange post-game comments of Moyes, where he seemed to be watching a different game or finding far too much good in what was otherwise very bad manila
There has been the dogmatism of Louis van Gaal, at least in terms of certain roles and his refusal to deviate from certain interpretations of how he sees it manila
Most recently, and most worryingly, there have been the abrupt personnel decisions of Mourinho manila
Players such as Raphael Varane, Harry Maguire and Scott McTominay have abruptly found themselves in or out of favour based on rationales that don’t make immediate sense manila
The hope is that Ten Hag is building to something bigger manila
It’s just that there is little evidence of that manila
He needs much more to really prevent going the way of all of his predecessors manila
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Harry Maguire insisted “proper England fans” do not boo their own players as Jordan Henderson was subject to jeers during England’s recent matches manila
Henderson was subject to boos from some sections of the England crowd when he was substituted against Australia and Italy at Wembley Stadium manila
England manager Gareth Southgate hit back against supporters following the friendly win over Australia last Friday, and Maguire has added his voice manila
Henderson chose to leave Liverpool and join up with former teammate Steven Gerrard in the Saudi Pro League at Al-Ettifaq, and has widely been criticised for the decision manila
Having been a vocal ally of the LGBTQ+ community during his time at Liverpool, many felt he abandoned those values by choosing to move to Saudi Arabia, where homosexuality is illegal manila
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“Don’t boo players who dedicate their life to play and do everything they can to make this country have good memories and have special moments for them and their families manila
”He added: “You heard when he came on the cheers and a few jeers, but they aren’t England fans manila
”Gareth Southgate said after the match against Australia that the booing of Henderson “defied logic” manila
Henderson himself told The Athletic in September he was “really hurt” by the criticism that followed the move manila
But it remained controversial, especially when his announcement video included the greying-out of his rainbow captain’s armband manila
England qualified for Euro 2024 following their 3-1 win over Italy at Wembley on Tuesday night manila
Southgate’s side dominated with Jude Bellingham starring in midfield while Harry Kane and Marcus Rashford put their names on the scoresheet manila
England will likely be among the favourites at next year’s tournament in Germany, and will be buoyed by the excellence of Bellingham manila
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